var part3 = "GW at Mansonblog dot com"; I'm not sure how the neglect of Ruth's teen years inures her from criticism but not Linda. In his testimony Clem part corroborated Linda's account and Susan part did to both Richard Caballero and the Grand jury and then later when she was writing her books.and yet, when one looks at where that apartment was, it seems like another kill two birds with one stone job. He wasn't even charged with shooting Lotsapoppa, but we all know it happened..The question: what if she was ASKED?She wasn't asked, she was told. Uh oh, not being a 'motive guy' I best stay out of this. Kasabian was a 20-year-old hippy with a 16-month daughter in July 1969 when she met members of Manson's Family and was asked to join their commune at a dilapidated ranch known as Spahn's. But my days of name calling with strangers are over, and I don't want to take any focus off this amazing first time effort from Dreath.:). So if Kasabian stumbles on what he wants and says they arrived at the Polanski residence "4-5 hours after dark". In 1969, the 20 year old Linda Kasabian met Charles Manson at the ranch and immediately fell under his spell. Fleischmann's words are logical. Perhaps soemthing more general. Linda Kasabian ran away from her small New Hampshire town when she was 16, married a man she barely knew, divorced, married again, and gave birth to a daughter, all before she was 20 years old . 3. It is time for the oppressed minorities and especially the black man to throw off the continued vestiges of slavery and seize what is rightfully theirs- take back the fruits of their 200 years of slave labor. Kasabian saw it as an opportunity to flee the ranch (without Tanya). The stuff written at Waverley gave the prosecution case legs, backbone and a gravitas it might not otherwise have had.Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter SkelterAlso important and true. With her marriage falling apart, she decided to move in with the family on their dilapidated Spahn's Ranch. Linda least of all- the only price she paid at all was karma. Some things I read even suggested physical abuse. She felt that he understood her when he said that she had a father hang-up. That was about all we had" speaks volumes, not to mention his thought at the end of '69 that Manson could well be acquitted and his feeling that it could turn out to be better for Linda to be tried & acquitted than testify against the Family.there are occasions too numerous to count in the Tate-LaBianca trial where he 'leads' his key witness to the answer he wantsTrue, but it's an answer that he wants already knowing that answer. There is no one inside. And if so, in what context ? I have a terrible habit of taking this too personally. And refused. Linda grew up in the New England town of Milford, New Hampshire. (One) - wallet - brown plastic with misc. I've long found it significant that not one of the incarcerated has ever come out in the 45+ years and brought out any details of her nefarious involvement that we are not already aware of. "Journey into Darkness" is a good start. Excellent work by Dreath here. So here comes the leading question.]Q. Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. It's been done about Tex, Larry Jones & Bill Vance in regards to Shorty. var part1 = "deb"; But..What I meant was that she said Tex told her to get Steven's wallet. Why?In the grand scheme of things, with all that was going on, perhaps for those few seconds or minutes none of them envisaged Sharon attempting to escape as she was roped up. According to cielodrive.com, Linda and Robert lived together for three months, however, they divorced when she was 17 years old. When you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murder depending on when). I believe she was not and the same applies on my end. Even her Mum acknowledged that.Don't waste your tears for Linda and LeslieI'm a human being, St. Why would she put herself though that if she wasn't trying as hard as she could to be honest and get herself out? Needless to say, they knew the defense would try and destroy her. Grim, Probably move the goal posts was not the best turn of a phrase. She spent her whole life getting into trouble. From the Watson trial:Q: Now, you know helter skelter involved violence, didn't you?A: Yeah.Q: Did you tell anybody, did you tell Mr. Manson that you didn't want to be part of any violent scheme?A: No.Q: You knew that it involved the killing of people, didn't you?A: But I didn't know that that was our part in it.Q: What did you think your part was going to be?A: Well, that when helter skelter came to the city, when the blacks and whites were getting it in the city, and the city was burning, we were supposed to go in the dune buggies, with the children and bring them back to the home in the desert.Susan was the one that tied the murders to HS when she spoke with her cellmates but none of them went out on the night of August 8th to consciously ignite it. Sorry. What appeared peaceful at first to Linda Kasabian turned violent. Some folk are just simply born under a bad sign, cursed with to much anger, desperation and bad judgement in their DNA. They both got to live out long lives. The same night, Manson instructed Linda Kasabian to take part in killing of actor Saladin Nader herself. Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. Not so much today. You can correct me on that one. The TLB story, maybe above all others, is NOT a black/white or good/bad story. I gotta say I lean to the Saint here. Did Bugliosi actually use any scenario that did not come from someone else ? IF I was one of the defense attorneys, I would have asked Linda and most other Prosecution witnesses:1) I'm a little confused and maybe you can help us ALL understand this Helter Skelter business a little better. That makes Ms. Kasabian (as the key witness) a bit of pet project of mineWhat sort of things would you have done that weren't done by the defence ?There are multiple times where her testimony is not supported by the physical (objective) evidence Can you enumerate some of them ? She turned State's Evidence and received immunity in exchange for her testimony, which was without a doubt, the most damaging to the family. Remember, Al Springer testified that he liked Tex most of all in the Family. Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz is a former member of the Charles Manson "Family". It also partly explains why she never went to LE {not that that was uppermost in her considerations !}. You are trained, instead, to focus on "indicia of credibility and reliability". That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. The short youtube is anecdotal but a number of photos show troops of the 7th Cav in the battle of I-Drang valley. Lots of Hippies were thought of as people that stole, didn't work, openly espoused drugs, were anti authority and anti establishment, sponged, dropped children all over the place and exposed their kids to things no child should even be aware of. One gunshot would have sufficed. Manson Blog Proves that Tenerelli Was Not a Gypsy Joker! Reporters ask someone who is being arrested for murder to say something to which she replies "I don't care if the whole world comes down, I'm not talking." Did both sides not do that quite a lot though ? We know very little of any consequence about what any of them were like or did prior to or after the murders ~ and to be honest, that's how it should be. If Perry and other legal dramas were like real life in courtrooms, few would watch them !You are trained, instead, to focus on "indicia of credibility and reliability"That's partly why people on trial will dress "respectably." But I'll say no more and wait for the film to be released.Also, if you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. Those people would have gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watsonwhich as far as I can see was a good thing. It really does bear examination. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. She stole money from her friends to impress people she knew for days. BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission. Manson Mythos saidThe problem is Grim, Bugliosi painted a portrait of her as being different. If Kanarek had handled this properly they never would have heard it. If you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifying. She was a witness for the District Attorney, Vincent Bugliosi. Given that she says all this in more or less the same group of sentences {in Robert's book}, which is it ? AustinAnn74 earlier pointed out, regarding Linda, What if she wouldn't have testified? Overlooking the fact that Atkins sold him out pretty fast and Leslie lined up right behind her to do the same by puttin' on the crazy brainwashed act with Marvin Partwhich Tex actually did to, although failed.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex Watson. Charlie went back to where he'd spent most of his life; I don't believe that he wanted to be there but I think he's long been pragmatic about jail. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? I would say roughly around midnight. I do not think that Charles Manson masterminded or ordered the Tate-LaBianca murders. Dreath saidProbably move the goal posts was not the best turn of a phrase. One defense attorney after the next, tried unsuccessfully to punch holes through her testimony. Her parents divorced and remarried when Linda was still young. Grim, Ok, but quoting Bugliosi is sort of like quoting one of us. When he then asks "do you mean 3 a.m. or midnight" he's leading the witness. All is good. I never could figure out a way any of them would have ben acquitted (Thank God!). It probably seems quite insensitive to say this, but lots of people have lost loved ones to murderous violence and in addition, Rosemary LaBianca's daughter Suzan at one point demonstrated that not only was it possible to get over it, but that forgiveness and it's aftermath were realistic propositions. ?Hmmmmm..perhaps I just tend to read through different lenses at times St, but my abiding memories of the Bugliosi~Kasabian makeover are of Vincey describing her and her testimony as "frank and repulsively truthful" and telling Laurence Merrick that he would have gone for a 2nd degree murder charge against her. Not even in her Grand Jury testimony did Atkins say anything. Attack me again or some shit? ITS REALLY TOO BAD!! // -->, Manson Blog Tour 2020! Now DailyMail.com can exclusively disclose that Linda Kasabian, 68, is living in a modest apartment complex in Tacoma, Washington, not far from the home of her daughter Quanu, 45. Charles Manson was in complete control of the ranch and its people and instructed everyone on what to do. Dreath saidI think there is a tendency to look at Kasabian's involvement through the lens provided by what we know (or believe or have been told to believe ) from where we sit todayThere's a lot of truth in that. Prosecution ? During the Tate-LaBianca murders, Kasabian. That the motive for these seven horrendous murders was not money, it was not burglary or robbery. The people I have met who support Charlie cant stand her. Sandy Good said that on a talk show she was on with George and Patti and I think Bugs might have been there too.Thanks though. ?Then she walks and spends the rest of her live breaking the law and partying wit her own child who she breaks laws with.Human side? The perfect storm of just the wrong type of personalities- mixed in with just the wrong type of older influence who made their dark desires ok to live out. I didn't perceive you as the problem. She was guilty of several traffic violation and was became partially disabled after a car accident. It Gets Charlie off the hookWhile getting Charlie off the hook may be paramount for "Charlie supporters" I've found piles more people who are not Charlie supporters, indeed, people who can't stand him or that think he's a shitbag and are quite happy for him to remain in or die in jail, that believe that HS is wrong.In fact, far more people think it's wrong than do, in my on line experience. Her marriage later fell apart. Great job. Linda Kasabian Who Is She: Kasabian was the Family member who eventually turned on the Family. I would have likely done the exact same thing. ME thinks there might be a REAL story there. Back then nashua was a small town in nh.Also i personally talked to someone who picked her up hitchiking in nh the 70s.He said she was pregnant must of been her second child. Life With The Manson Family Los Angeles Public Library The Manson compound on Spahn Ranch. She was the angel in a group of murderous devilsWhen it came to killing, she was, different. So what's your point ? She kept a lookout during the Tate-LaBianca murders, but didn't participate. There but for the grace of.go you and I. Its Ok to see things differently Grim.You make alot of eloquent points bud. Linda Kasabian; however, stuck to her testimony. Secondlyhow did the jury know she was different? So did Hitler. Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. I agree with your comment about multiple angles. They killed the people 'Because Charlie told us to.'" But when I compare the before with the after in Jay's death, for me there's no comparison.The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll?Going to get a knife from Linda, struggling with Frykowski towards the front door, shouting to Tex for helpThere is no one inside. I meant was that she said Tex told her to get Steven 's wallet guy ' i best out! 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